3rd Degree the Podcast #304

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I like the shaft, not the tip. [00:00:02] Speaker B: Oh, my God. That's the cold open. Damn it. [00:00:08] Speaker A: Crap. Yeah. [00:00:18] Speaker C: Third Degree, the Third Degree Nerd Podcast. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Third Degree, the Third Degree N Podcast. Third Degree NE Podcast. Third Degree Degree. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Third Degree. The podcast is brought to you by El Matador and their El Matador watch party for Atlanta versus FC Dallas. That's on April 5th at 6:30pm Downtown Dallas at the Scarlet Pumpernickel. They're going to have the entire second floor reserve, full sound, their own bartender, amazing food. There's plenty of street parking down there and parking garages. But best of all, the Scarlet Pumpernickel is only two blocks from the Akron street stop on the DART rail station. Get down there, check it out, everybody's welcome. April 5th, 6:30pm El Matador watch party, Atlanta versus FC Dallas. [00:01:08] Speaker A: Well, hello there, FC Dallas curious fan. Welcome to another episode of Third Degree, the podcast. He returns, beard intact, fancy new laptop it is. Dan Crook. Howdy, Dan. [00:01:21] Speaker C: Hello. I don't remember why I wasn't here last week. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Now you the only fans channel custom request. [00:01:30] Speaker C: Still don't follow the joke. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Well, I think you had to be super inebriated to complete the task and you probably forgot about it. [00:01:38] Speaker C: No, I. I went to see Russell Howard, that's why. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Oh, okay. How was that? [00:01:44] Speaker C: That's good. A lot of fun. [00:01:45] Speaker A: All right. Very good. And your hero, My hero, everybody's Hero, Editor, Founder, third degree.net and the original soccer influence, him himself, Buzz Carrick. Coming, Buzz. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Peter, you said that Dan was beard intact, as if beard unintact was an option. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Well, I thought, you know, so people don't know. We've recently, in the last, I don't know, month or so, started recording this on a platform that has a video chat between the three of us. Buzz and I have had cameras. Dan has not. And today Dan shows up with a new laptop with a camera, and there, lo and behold, is the beard, which I haven't seen in a really long time. And I didn't know what the beard would look like when I saw it for the first time in a while. So just gray, Grayer. Yeah, yeah, it's a little flu fear. [00:02:33] Speaker B: You know, people are going to. Now they're going to want to see the cameras that you told everybody that they. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Well, they. You know, what if they want to pay $100 a month for each of us? So $300 a month. If somebody wants to pay that poor per subscriber, we'll even let them come in here and watch us record this damn Thing live. How about that? [00:02:54] Speaker B: That price. You can come in live. [00:02:55] Speaker C: I think you just started a cameo channel at that point. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Or an only fans. In fact, we could host it on OnlyFans. Yes, they're looking for non porno content all the time. Beard. The beard looks more groomed than I remember it. And it looks. [00:03:12] Speaker C: It needs a trim. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Does it? [00:03:14] Speaker C: Okay. [00:03:14] Speaker A: All right. Okay. Very good. Well, look at us, Buzz. We're back on the road winning games. Not us. FC Dallas as they go to Salt Lake. Lots to discuss in this particular one as Dallas goes on the road and wins one to nothing, despite having a man advantage for almost 70 minutes of the game. And just highlights, just kind of overview thoughts and your reactions to the victory. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Well, apparently Dallas should volunteer to play every game on the road because they're much better on the road than at home. I mean, not really. Obviously you wouldn't do that, but it sure seems like it because they. They have a next level apparently on the road. So the macro takeaways are number one. You had. You're up a man the whole. Almost the whole time, like 80 minutes. So you can't really take a lot away tactically or even, you know, in terms of, like, quality of play because you have an extra guy the whole time. And the second thing is ourselves without Diego Luna. I mean, I know Dallas is without Martin Paz, but Diego Luna is a talismic, you know, playmaking 10. The guy that makes that entire thing work for real Salt Lake. So missing him is a massive, massive thing. It would be the same as if Dallas is Mitching Lucho Acosta. So we have to take this game with a grain of salt. But nonetheless, there's still a lot of positives to take away from it. So on a macro level, good game, good win. Any roadwood's a good win. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Any road win is a good win. That is a rule. That is MLS rule of thumb three. [00:04:46] Speaker B: I think actually they have seven points on the road already, which is the same as last year for the whole season. So, I mean, that alone right there tells you that there's more quality to this team than there was last year. So things are in terms of a deep rebuild that they're undergoing. That's all positive. That's all good. [00:05:03] Speaker A: So, Dan, any observations, thoughts, reactions from you and your beard? [00:05:09] Speaker C: I like the. I like the. The tweak to the shape after the game. Eric Course said it was kind of the. The best fit, more for the most profiles on the team. It was nice having Ramiro sit back as that. Stay at home 6. It allowed legit to play his game. It allowed Delgado a little bit more freedom to go box to box to. To get fouled and the. Absolutely kicked out of him and his head. Yeah, just just solid. It obviously protects the center backs a lot. Assazi Ar had a. Had a solid game yet again and Codi the. The confidence that, that he came out with towards the end of that game was. Was just phenomenal. [00:05:51] Speaker A: All right, we'll run through the timeline here. Uh, I'm. I've obviously first as I love to do, I like to go through the non game none really unimportant things. But let's talk, let's talk about those. First off, I just want to state this for the record. I really, really do not like these new kits. The more I see them, the less I like them. And probably what punctuates it the most for me is the colorized crest. That really drives me nuts. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a pet peeve of yours. I know. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I hate that with a big passion. [00:06:22] Speaker C: I know you hate them in general. If they're done well, fine. I was at the Adidas outlet at the weekend in Allen and they had the jerseys and the, the reversible jackets sitting side by side and seeing the. Just the, the colorized bull and the jacket next to the colorized crest. They're just night and day how good one is and bad the other is. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it, it's the horn, the red horn, swoopy things that I don't know. The whole thing's just not very good. So I, I guess I should trust that somebody who ever made the decision to spend money to get a backup design done and this is what they got. I'm just going to trust that whatever the original design was was really that bad. [00:07:06] Speaker B: So I think, I think my biggest complaint is that the, the blue depending on how they are painting the cameras since sort of has like a little bit of a teal ness to it. You know know it's not powder blue or ranger blue or tornado blue. It's like it's. Or in the RSL game I think it was. They looked almost white and the commentary even said that Dallas came out in all white. And I thought, well, you know, I, I don't think it's all white but it's definitely not like you know, sky blue or powder blue or whatever you would, you'd like to see FC Dallas really in. [00:07:34] Speaker C: It's such a massively different color in person to any photo or, or video. Nothing seems. It's like that Orange goalkeeper jersey from a couple of years ago that went pink on some of the cameras. Yeah, in person. Totally different to anything else. [00:07:49] Speaker A: I think it also depends on what the stadium lighting is. Is it the new LED lighting? Is it old? The old type of lighting? Because I think, I mean it's such a non color. We talked about this. It's neither blue, it's neither gray. It's not good at either color. It's just not a color. It's just this weird thing and it's. Yeah, it's. Anyway, that's a lot about nothing. Now I will ask this question, Dan. What in the world was going on with Salt Lake's keep keeper kit? I have. This is an interesting thing. So do you not remember this? It was a dark top but with gray shorts and kind of gray leggings that went down to white socks. And then he was topping it off with a pair of white gloves and white shoes. [00:08:28] Speaker C: Right. So the keeper kits this year, it's a light to dark gradient. No, dark to light gradient as it goes down. And then the shorts and socks are the lighter color. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. [00:08:42] Speaker C: Which on most of them is, you know, you don't notice it on the green, on the yellow, on any of the others. But the, the black and gray one, it's such a stark difference that. Yeah, it just looks a little bit off. [00:08:56] Speaker A: You don't see keepers wear something that isn't mono colored much these days. So anyway, it's probably a bad programming decision on my part to start with kit talk, but we've probably lost Steve Davis already. But that's it for the day. Oh, by the way. And the hat is back. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Yep, the red one. [00:09:11] Speaker A: The red. [00:09:12] Speaker C: Hail the hat. [00:09:12] Speaker A: All hail the red hat pulled down very low and very seriously. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Quill insisted that he just picks whatever hat, but he sure went back fast to that red one. That has won a couple of games. [00:09:23] Speaker A: All right, so Julio is obviously out of this thing for a green card, which sucks because it means he would have gotten to play against his old team and that would have been cool and fun in the old place. But I got a question, Dan, about the green card card. If you are a foreign player, is the benefit of getting a green card solely the club or does the player benefit from getting. Getting the green card in any way? [00:09:49] Speaker C: The player benefits in the. They're a more attractive proposition within the league. You know, even if you trade it around, you're no longer an international player. But as far as brights, anything like that. No, I mean, I didn't know if. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Maybe they paid less taxes or something because they were now a resident, or maybe they paid more tax. I don't know. I just. The whole thing was interesting and. Do it. Buzz. Do we have any idea how long this is going to take? [00:10:17] Speaker B: Well, that you don't know. You know, for people that don't know the process, Dan probably even knows that much better than audio course, but you go and you have a. You go to your home country and you go to the consulate there and you have a meeting and they go over your application and they say, okay, we like everything here. Go home and we'll call you when it's ready. And then that's when you're waiting. So how long that takes can depend on a lot of things that can be out of your hands. You know, some places, green cards or visas are taking a really long time, depending on the country you're talking about. I really have no idea how that rate is working. In Ecuador, it can be as fast as a week. Generally speaking, it's two weeks. But honestly, this is the kind of thing that you. You don't know. You know, and given not to bring politics into this podcast, we don't want to do that. But given the current climate, it's very possible that green cards or visas or whatever might be different in different countries right now than we're used to them before. So honestly, he just has to sit at home until they call and say, your green card's ready, and then he can go pick it up again. Usually two weeks, but, you know, and sometimes if you get really lucky, one week, but it has been longer. I told the story of the FC Dallas trainer who went home. Granted, he was from Columbia because he was working under Oscar. He went home for the winter holidays, and when it came time to come back, the US Government said no. And he just basically couldn't come back and work for FC Dallas, so he ended up staying at home. So, you know, obviously a professional athlete, you would hope that kind of thing wouldn't happen, but fingers crossed it's gonna. He'll be here this week, we hope, and at some point we'll ask, you know, when Friday rolls around and we've seen training photos and we've seen the report come out, we'll know. But, you know, today would have been the first day. He probably not have been the first day. Like, he probably might have had like a. If things went well, he might have gotten called back in today and Monday. And so maybe we'll find out the next day or two whether he Got it or not. So, okay, you just have to wait. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Dan alluded to it a little bit. There was a shift in the formation and we got to see it work in an 11v11 situation for a little bit. Why don't you talk everybody through that and what effect it had? [00:12:28] Speaker B: Well, it was really good. Even in the first 20 minutes, it was really good. So basically what they did was rotated the middle three and the front three of a four. Three, three. And effectively they turned the double pivot into a single pivot with two eights. And then they took that front three that was kind of like a high striker and two wings and they rotated that and made two strikers and a 10. So that dropped a Costa more into midfield a little bit and it brought an 8 onto the field like so you sacrifice the wing to bring on an eight. And we had talked a lot all year about the midfield getting out, man. So all of a sudden legit is an 8 instead of a 6. Delgado's in there playing and his more natural to get forward kind of eight position, he was fairly solid for the first half. Romero is on an island, yes, but they're. When they are dropping defensively, they're dropping the two eights in next to him. So he never really is exposed as a pure single pivot. He's always got help. Or when they're playing forward, he's there at the bottom of that attacking formation. So he was really helped out and had a really, really excellent first half and a pretty good second half until he got a little tired because he is 32 or whatever he is. And then Acosta coming back to midfield a little bit look great. The question is, of course, when Anderson Julio comes back, what does he play? Almost certainly he walks on for two, right? So then you don't have the wing play. And that's the question will be, how's that going to hold up? Can Shaq Moore get forward enough on the right? We saw, as a result, we saw Michael Farfan getting forward on the left. Now, he's not that great at it, but he was definitely trying to do it. So it's a really interesting formation. And as Dan mentioned in Quill's press conference, he talked about helping the profiles and I think it really helps Ramiro a lot. And obviously a single pivot is a position that a younger, more athletic Kaika will be able to play when, if and when he gets in there now, you'll be able to bring on a show or a Paxton when those guys are healthy and fit. Also, his eights you know, you need less wings. When we've seen that wing isn't a great position on this team this year right now because Bernie's not playing well and she was not doing all that much. And Pedrinho is more of a false guy. So you could bring him inside too. Like he gives you some options there. I'd like to think that when Julio's back, you'd put him up top and he would flip flop wings a lot and move around and be very chaos making and that might be really exciting. So one of the best things that Dan mentioned was that, you know, Ramiro sitting in on top of those center backs, you know, both those center backs had a pretty good game. You know, they. They held the. The opposition striker, his name sleeking out the back of my brain to like 11 touches and no shots because of that, basically having that triangle around him with six and the two center backs. [00:15:04] Speaker A: So it helped if they played a man down for the majority of the game. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Fair, fair. But still, for a guy to play 80 minutes and only see the ball 11 times, even a man down, that's, you know, that's pretty remarkable. So again, as you just said, when you play a man up the whole game, you really have to take a grain of salt on the success of the formation. But for the first 20 minutes was good and then it was really good the rest of the way. So I think they should stick with it. Hopefully they will and we'll see if it holds up against the 11, 11 the whole game. [00:15:32] Speaker A: One of my early notes is. Oh, man, right off the bat, there's Sam Junka. [00:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:38] Speaker A: Just less than a minute of the game, he's throwing the ball and I forgot he was playing for Salt Lake. And I. That was. That sucks. I missed that guy. You mentioned him a little while ago. I guess it's probably an appropriate time to talk about Leo Chu. It was his debut for the team. This was the first time we'd seen him at all. Right. Like he didn't even sub in yet at this point. [00:15:58] Speaker C: So he'd only been on one bench, right? [00:16:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you're right. So I. My Note says we're 15 minutes into the game and it appears I now know why Leo Chu hasn't played for some reason. Because first off, it was 15 minutes in the game and he already looked gassed. But he also kind of looked a little bit indifferent. [00:16:15] Speaker B: That's probably fairly accurate. I thought his play was pretty indifferent. I mean, for the most part, I thought he was pretty mediocre. You know, I didn't see anything. Made me think, oh, can't wait to get that guy back on the field. And as you say, it's pretty understandable why he hasn't been playing. And it's pretty understandable why he was subbed at the 66th minute. You know, they gave him a good 60 minute run and it was like, okay, well, that's not really great. So, you know, I can't imagine he'll hold his spot. You know, it's. It's a shame because they probably need him to play well, because they probably would like to move him before his contract runs out at the end of the season rather than let him just play the string out on the bench, you know, Certainly not a guy you could send in North Texas to find his game. [00:16:55] Speaker C: You know, I hope they, I mean, yeah, hopefully, you know, whether it's he goes down to North Texas or they just gets time on the training field, you know, there, there were little things there, nice little passes. He'd supplied one for that little dink over the top for Mooser, I think came from him or it was the pass before the pass. He wasn't, obviously was not running at players. He was nowhere near fit. There was that weird moment, him and Lucho. It was pretty deep on the right wing and Chu was trying to wave off Lucho to run so that he could put across in because he didn't want to run down the wing, you know, And Lucha's like, no, just, just give me the ball, I'm going to run it. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see because in the past he's. When he's played against Alice, he. He's kind of destroyed the fullbacks running at them. [00:17:51] Speaker B: It's amazing that we're. We've had a month and a half of spring camp and now we're a month and maybe a month and a half into the season and the guy's not fit. Now, I know he got hurt for maybe a week or something in the middle of that, but still it's like, how are you professional athlete and you're not fit that far into the season? It's. It's hard to understand what's going on there with that guy. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Well, I guess maybe we'll never see him again. He'll fall into the doghouse, man. [00:18:14] Speaker B: I don't know if you play him again after that. I mean, you know, it's not very good. [00:18:19] Speaker A: All right, so we'll move on to the big moment of the game in the 21st minute. We get into the incident with Delgado. When I saw it real time, I didn't think there was anything worthy of getting into. And then, of course, we get into the VAR and the VAR review. My opinion, not that anybody cares, is that this is an. This is one of those examples where var, I think, just talks everybody into a red card. Because when you see it in real time, it, to me, looks like a g. A glancing blow. But they kept freeze framing it at the moment of contact, which makes it look like he's trying to break his ankle. And I. I think this is too much var. Like, I don't think this was a necessary red to hand out in this moment, but I'm sure there's a lot of other people that disagree with me, but that's just how I feel about it. [00:19:09] Speaker C: I think that the thing that annoyed me was, like, you say, you know, it wasn't even that they kept freeze framing it as they played it. It's that he stared at the freeze frame for about 45 seconds. [00:19:20] Speaker A: I know, I know. [00:19:22] Speaker C: That's not objective at that point. That's not clear and obvious. That's. Oh, he did go, you know. Yes, he went over the ball because the ball got kicked away. You could call it reckless. You could call it a yellow card. Yeah, I can't make a case for a red card there. [00:19:38] Speaker A: Well, my other observation is two parts. One, I don't remember recalling seeing anybody from the Dallas bench get up and holler in some sort of like, hey, wait a second, that's a red. And two, Delgado got right back up and was walking around 10 seconds later. So all of you know, when you're taught to be a referee, they talk about, watch how the body language and how the players and other people react around you to help inform you as to what's going on. And there was nothing about that incident, to me that said, oh, we need to go back and look at that. But, you know, I'm sure somebody's going to disagree with us. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Well, I. I thought. I don't know that I'm gonna disagree with you about the severity of it, but I definitely thought that he played the man and not the ball. I thought he stepped over the ball with his cleats to get the guy. And, like, you know, maybe he doesn't. You know, it puts his foot in position, Delgado comes through, he's going to hit it. You know, it's like, I thought it was clear he didn't play the ball. [00:20:34] Speaker C: He. He put. He was. I mean, it looked like he was trying to put his foot on the ball, that if. If Delgado makes contact, it's just coming straight off the bottom of his foot. But, yeah, I mean, Delgado beats him to it, nips it away, and then all that's left is leg. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think Delgado pushes the ball out from underneath his foot, and his foot comes down, and I don't even think he makes that much contact with Delgado, because if Delgado really thought he had been stomped on, the way that the freeze frame makes it, I think Delgado stays on the ground a lot longer than he did. Makes a bigger meal out of it, like he trying to pull the card. There was just none of that going on in that moment. So I, I just thought it was a little unnecessary on Vars part to. [00:21:15] Speaker B: Get, you know, I, I hear what you're saying. I just definitely thought the defender went cleats first towards the player's ankle and not the ball and, like, stepped past the ball to the player. You know, I don't think. [00:21:27] Speaker A: I don't think he did it on purpose. I think it's a. It's, oh, I did it. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:32] Speaker A: I think that he was trying to play for the ball and the ball got knocked away and he came down. Now, that is a function of. You're responsible for where your limbs are part of the argument when it comes to, you know, endangering an opponent. But this will come in into a part of a conversation I want to have about something that happened much later in the game, oddly enough, again with Patterson, Delgado. I will also say one of the weird things about this was, is that Delgado actually got called for committing a foul in the lead up to this moment. And the restart for this was a Salt Lake free kick, which I thought was kind of. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Well, maybe that's part of it. If the. If Delgado has already been called for a foul and then seconds a couple seconds later, or whatever time interval you wish. Later. Now I'm putting my cleats into a guy's ankle after the whistle has blown. [00:22:19] Speaker A: No, the whistle hadn't blown the whistle hadn't blown the referee back and said, I'm calling the foul because I was going to call it. And I think he let play go. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Well, generally speaking, these guys have such insane body control that, like, I never buy this story. Like, oh, I didn't mean to step on the guy. No, 100% you did. Nobody here, this level accidentally steps on a guy. Nobody accidentally cleats anybody at this level. That's why they wear those tiny ass shin guards. It's because it doesn't matter to them because it never happens on accident. It's always intentional. [00:22:48] Speaker A: That seems like a very. That seems like a very definitive statement, but. Okay. Okay. [00:22:54] Speaker B: We've got this conversation before about body control and about guys. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Oh, no. I think he just gets caught up. No, he doesn't. He 100 meant to do it. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Okay, well, if you think he meant to do it, then that's your opinion. I just. [00:23:06] Speaker B: It didn't. [00:23:06] Speaker A: It didn't. It didn't vibe that way with me. 26, I believe Delgado hits a ball wide left on a really nice opportunity, and that is officially Dallas's first shot of the game. Is that that correct? [00:23:20] Speaker B: I don't remember that accurately. [00:23:22] Speaker A: It was. At least it was no more than the second. So at 26 minutes in this moment, the red cars just been given buzz. How are you feeling about the shape of the team, how they're looking and everything? [00:23:33] Speaker B: Well, pretty good. You know, like that early in the. In the. After a red card, the other team still trying to figure themselves out, you know, and Dallas basically didn't change anything. Post red card, they kept playing the same way. So, you know, when you're on the road, you're not looking for. Particularly this team, not looking for domination of the ball. And even up a man, they're not looking for domination of the ball. So I was pretty confident at that point that it was working okay. [00:23:56] Speaker A: At 33, there's the Acosta incident where the guy keeps pulling on Acosta into the box. The ref is forced to call the pk, although Acosta let himself fall like a sack of potatoes. And then, of course, this was interesting. I don't know if you have. Well, I guess you were watching the same thing I was watching. The commentator kept talking about where Acosta loves to take PKs always to the keeper's left. Sure enough, he goes to the left. The PK is saved. And now Dallas is 0 for 2 on PKs for the season. And then my next note is, will that come back to haunt them? [00:24:30] Speaker B: No. No. But not a great PK. I don't know that we'll let A. Costa take PKs much, but my biggest struggle with the broadcast was the. Was other than the thing in the. In the open that was so funny with the overlay of the graphic. But the. They kept calling Petter Musa Patar Musa, which is funny. [00:24:50] Speaker C: And that's actually how Logan Farrington says it. [00:24:55] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:56] Speaker B: I've not heard anybody call him Patar until now. Just like the guys on Soccer Wise call him Peter. That Was not Peter either. [00:25:06] Speaker A: So it's funny because you mentioned Kai Kong. A little while ago they released a video of him talking and he pronounces his name not Kai K. What did he say? Kai Key. No, that's how I heard what he said. Now maybe my old man hearing heard it wrong. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Maybe this is like Tar Scott pronouncing his name like eight different ways. We still don't have a definitive answer on that. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Okay, let's be honest. [00:25:32] Speaker C: There's a solid conclusion. Brazilian Portuguese is weird. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. [00:25:39] Speaker B: It's ironic that we're making fun of somebody else mispronouncing names given how much we mispronounce names. [00:25:43] Speaker A: My next Note, in the 40th minute it seems like Dallas and the two. It says two or three times in the last few minutes, Salt Lake has just flat out given Dallas the ball back in their own half of the field and Dallas can't do anything with it and ultimately ends up just turning the ball over again. And this there was, you know, there wasn't as much of the turnover issue as last week, but I did, I. My opinion was that the Dallas was still turning the ball over more than I would like to see them turn it over. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that may just be a hallmark of the way they play. This team is probably a little light on the ball possession, nifty passer, nifty dribbler. Guys, you know, this is not a team that's built like that. This is a team built more for over the top pace and power, you know, so you're just going to have to deal, I think with a fair amount of inconsistent turnovers. I, I will say looking at the stats afterwards, I thought Peter Musa had a few more turnovers. I'd like to see for sure. I'd like to see him clean that up a little bit. But I think he's probably maybe a little frustrated the last couple of games might be trying to overreach a little bit. [00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this is also. We've got now got a good enough sample size of Lucho Acosta of picking up on the thing that we heard from D.C. fans and Cincinnati fans, which is you're just going to have to get used to the fact that he does turn the ball over a lot because he's trying to do a lot. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he was cleaner this game than he was the last couple. He only had a couple miscontrols. He didn't. He wasn't dispossessed, I don't think at all. He had a really strong game and. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Then in the added time, poor Patrick Sin Delgado got the business once again. And this is the incident I was referring to earlier with Delgado. Whereas very late in the half, Delgado is going up for a head ball, and Ruiz from Salt Lake comes in out of nowhere and literally headbutts him in flight and knocks him over. And I was shocked that not only did Varnach go back and look at it, he didn't even get a yellow card. And my thought when this was going on was, wait a second. If that had been a. That had been a foot and a knee, that would have been a straight red card for serious foul play or endangering an opponent. But because. And it's weird that we don't treat head knocks in the same way for all the sensitivities about concussions that we have, because to me, in that moment, Rhys wasn't even trying for the ball. And I'm almost borderline to your point, Buzz. Convinced he was trying to headbutt him or clash heads with him. Of course, Ruiz came off the worst because his head split open and he was bleeding like a. Yeah, see, I. [00:28:15] Speaker B: Felt this one was get well, if you've ever cut your head, it bleeds like crazy. Yeah, the. That's funny that you're saying that, because you're literally having the exact opposite reaction you had on the first one, which, to be fair, is what I am, too. Like, this one, to me, he clearly is trying to play the ball and just misses and smashes the guy instead. It's like. So this one, to me, looks like it's just the ball, because Delgado heads the ball away a split second before that, and he's already in the motion to head the ball, and instead Elgato's head is there. It's like this one, to me looks like it's the one that's just pure happenstance in the run of play. And the other one was intentional. And you're saying the exact opposite of that. [00:28:56] Speaker A: Well, I. It looked. I shouldn't say it was intentional, because I don't know, but I thought this was a far more dangerous situation. And if you're going to call two things equal, this should have been a red card, too, because that's just as dangerous as whatever they called the red card for earlier in the game, in my opinion. [00:29:13] Speaker B: Well, that's what I meant about intent. Like, the first one, I thought he clearly intended to cleat him in the ankle. And this one, I thought he clearly intended to had the ball. So this one was a yellow for. [00:29:22] Speaker A: Me, see, I'm not even convinced they called the first one for intent with any intent. I think they just thought it was dangerous play and gave a red card for serious foul play. I, to me, this was, is at least as serious as the other one, especially because this is a head injury. But I don't know. Dan, you got an opinion on this? [00:29:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I definitely felt the clash of heads was far worse looking, especially when they slowed it down. And Ruiz, his eyes were very clearly on Delgado and not the ball. But I think if his head, if he doesn't come out with a bloodied head, maybe the referee looks at that differently. [00:29:58] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Let me, let me ask you this. How many times in your life have you seen somebody intentionally try and headbutt somebody on a header? And how many times in your life have you seen somebody intentionally cleat somebody on the ankle clean? Some of the angle is 10 million times, right? And I've never in my life seen some somebody try and headbutt smash somebody going up for a header. [00:30:20] Speaker C: Oh, I have. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Oh yeah, I have. [00:30:22] Speaker B: No, not me. I've. Yeah, I've never seen it. I've seen two dudes stand there facing each other ahead, but like that. [00:30:27] Speaker A: Well, but Dan, to Dan's point, Buzz, go back and watch it again if you want, but Ruiz has got his eyeballs like looking straight at Delgado when he pushes, when he smashes heads with him. [00:30:38] Speaker C: He also puts the hardest part of his head into the softest part of Delgado. [00:30:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I, that to me looked very intentional and I was shocked that he did get through. Now, I will also point out that in the leading moments up to this, the referee is getting the business hard from the Salt Lake fans. So much so because obviously everything had been going Dallas's way for the prior 10, 15 minutes. He had started giving Salt Lake every single 50, 50 call, fouls, throw ins, whatever it was. Salt Lake suddenly was getting every little niggly call going their way. Cause it was clear he was trying to make up for the fact that everything to this point, the red, the pk, etc was going Dallas's way. So maybe that's part of the reason why they didn't bother to do it. But whatever it was, Delgado ended up getting substituted off not long thereafter. So. All right, so that, that happens. And so that leads up to the great moment of the game. 45 plus, I think it was what, 48 minute, there was a goal for Dallas. Shaq Moore plays a looping ball to the far post. And I initially, like everybody else, thought, holy Crap. The shortest guy in the field just out jumped a guy 15ft taller than he is for the ball. But Steve Davis pointed out on the replay, when you get the field level replay, he didn't out jump the guy for the ball because the other guy didn't even jump. Acosta shifted his body and tricked him into leaning the wrong way and the ball went over him and then Acosta headed it in for the goal. Dallas won. Salt Lake, nothing. Halftime. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a really smart shift and drift by Acosta to, you know, sort of fade off and then spin around and get inside that guy. And then he gives him a quick body just to make a little bit of a half a yard space. And when the ball comes past Quinton 6, Quentin, this. I was going to say Cantero, but I wouldn't know that one. Right. The six foot six defender, right to Acosta in a beatable position. You know, Acosta has remarkably good aerial duel wins. And not that this is an aerial duel per se, but a lot of that savvy is about body positioning and drifting away and having a guy lose track of you. And it's a really savvy play that Acosta does here and that other people have done to FC Dallas defenders like Marco Farfan had done to him week before. So, you know, there was a lucky deflection on the cross, but it was just a really well done play by Acosta to get inside the defender and give himself position like that. [00:33:02] Speaker C: Got to say, the. The other part of that play that I really enjoyed, Pet Musa had been absolutely diabolical up until like the fifth minute stoppage time in the first half. And then he just, just cuts the ball back across the face of the box so perfectly between a guy's legs out to Leo Chu Chu feeds it to Shaq more, and obviously, you know, the rest of it. It was just such a. Such a nice. It was just great vision to see that pass. [00:33:28] Speaker A: It was. Yes. Moose has got some really interesting game to him, but this was one of those where I wondered how much the altitude was affecting him because he. This. I don't think this was his best performance, but we can talk a little bit that about that. A little bit more here in a little bit. All right, so it's halftime. Dan, I'm gonna ask you this question first because this is the note that I have. Does this look like a game where one team has a man advantage over the other? [00:33:52] Speaker C: It's. It's always hard. I know it's cliche, but playing against 10 men is really difficult, especially when it's a. A Peter Vermese or a Pablo Mastrone. One of those teams that really dig in and just fight to the last breath. And that's exactly how it felt. FC Dallas held the ball an absolute ton. You know, the first 20 minutes obviously played the way they normally do. Just stand off it, let them kind of run around. They definitely had the. The idea of possess the ball, make RSL run after it, used a man advantage to tire him out. But yeah, they really weren't getting forward and doing a whole lot with that possession until they started towards like the last, I think five minutes of the half, they started really pinging crosses in. [00:34:40] Speaker A: Okay. Comment, Buzz? [00:34:42] Speaker B: Not really. You know, one of the things that's hard to come to grips with with this Quill team is their lack of desire to possess the ball. So even when they're up a man, they don't really want to. They ended up, you know, almost having possession lead by accident. It ended up being really only 51. MLS stats are apparently awful. They had some insane number at the end of the game, but you know, it still holds true that they don't really want the ball very much. They ended up barely having more of it, but that's okay. Like, there's a lot. There's so many teams now that don't value the ball anymore. It's all about chance creation. If you still get 15 chances on the road, you're playing fine. You know, I'd like to see a better shot on goal ratio. Like they only had five of their 15 on target, but that could be better. But, you know, no, it didn't. It did not look like they were up a man, but that's okay. You know, it doesn't matter that they didn't as long as they win. You know, I mean, what. What does it, what does it mean to say, like, does it look like they have. Are they upper man? So do they dominate the ball? Do they dominate play? Do they control everything? [00:35:44] Speaker A: I think there's a. Well, and I. And I think to your point, this is. And this is something we'll talk about more when we get to the end of the game, which is this is a team that doesn't want the ball, which is very different from what we've been used to for the last few managers and, and sometimes a team's it. It gives off the vibe that a team is making a statement of we're not very good with the ball, so we're going to let you have the ball and Give it back to us. And, and that maybe makes people perceive that the team isn't very good in general if they play in that kind of style. And I'm not saying that's necessarily a case or the true in this case, but I do think when you're up a man, your expectation is your team should possess more, have more opportunities and be up by more than a single goal. And I. And I'm not necessarily sure that's an unfair thing to think. [00:36:37] Speaker B: Well, I think I remember looking at the stats at about 70 minutes and salt Lake didn't have like a shot. Like Chloe didn't have a save. So they didn't, they didn't get any shots until that last 10 minute after they swapped out their nine. They went to that late game phase that they always do where they try and really come at you in the last 10 minutes. It's like until then to be shotless. You know, I think that shows that Dallas in many ways did dominate the game. They just didn't dominate it in a way, as you say, that we're used to seeing a team dominate when they're upper man of holding the ball and playing keep away. This team doesn't care. They'd much rather wait for you to make a mistake and pounce on it, you know, or. Or pinch in the right moment. And maybe that's a good thing when they're gonna be playing in hot weather all the time and maybe in the summer, that this is a really great thing to not try and out possess people. [00:37:27] Speaker A: So Siki comes on for Delgado and the first shot of the game for Salt Lake comes in the 51st minute. Let's see what else. Leo Chu comes off for Farrington in the 66th. Romero has to give up a yellow card, I think in the 70th when he bad makes a bad force pass and starts to turn over and let's see, kind of just keeps going this way for a while. And then kind of about the 74th minute, Farfan has a really good opportunity that he hits off the crossbar. That's unfortunate for him. That would have been a really nice goal sequence for Dallas if he had hit that. And then the, obviously the legit opportunity where the really nice little slipped pass into him kind of near the penalty spot, and he tries to turn and hit it and it's going in far post, but the keeper makes a nice save. And then my other note in here, because this is obviously the thing that we haven't talked about yet, is in the 83rd minute, something we don't see very often around these parts. Mr. Collode comes out and absolutely storms into the box, into space and punches a ball away across it's coming in the box. We just don't see that with Martin Paz very often. And overall, I was really, really impressed by Mr. Collode and his debut at this level. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Listen, you know, anyone, as we say at MLS has flaws and Collode certainly has a couple of flaws, but so does Martin Pause. And the couple of things that Claude did really well in this game are things that are flaws for Martin Paz. One of those is crosses into the box. Collodi did better with those than Pause ever does. That's one of his weaknesses, which contributes to Dallas being not so great. It falls into the box. And the other is his feet. And Chloe's feet were on display in this game. There was often times where he had the ball playing it back and forth. Those guys in the back playing balls out long with better accuracy. Being able to dribble around a guy, you know, he showed composure and things that that pause doesn't have. I'm sure that there could have been moments where you might have seen things that Paz has that Clothy doesn't like, you know, great pauses and a phenomenal stock shopper. So great super powerful long range shots. Clody's pretty good at that, but he's not as good as pauses. So we didn't. They didn't go at Collode in ways that are his deficiencies. And so he really excelled in this game and looked great in this game because he was able to do some things that the, that are usually weaknesses. Now the thing about Collode and the reason I was very confident in him coming in, I talked about it. Leadership, composure, experience. Like of the two reserve keepers, he's played a boatload of games in college, played a whole season at North Texas, including all that playoff and championship run. You know, Quill talks about telling him before the game that you've played in games like this or bigger, this is no big deal. You've got this. And so that's why I felt about him kind of coming in. And so he played exactly like I thought he was going to play. So great performance by him. You know, a lot of people liked him as man of the match. At the end of the day, he only had two or three saves, depending on what service you look at. So like it wasn't a man of match for me. But I maybe basically because he played exactly like I expected. But yeah, it was really nice to see him do really well, and it was really nice to see the team acknowledge that he played well after the game. That was super cool. [00:40:35] Speaker A: I, I. One moment that I really enjoyed out of him was, I think Brooks, the Salt Lake player, took a really smart hit at goal, and Collode was lined up on it, and it was low enough that there was, you know, you just didn't know if it was going to go in underneath the post or underneath the crossbar. And Collode had a good eye on it. And I think that in this norm, in this instance, most keepers trying to be super safe are going to paw it away over the post and just make sure there's no chance it kind of tucks back in underneath. But his maturity level and confidence level was high enough that he just waved it off like he was convinced it was going over the. Over the crossbar. And it did. But it was close, but he was confident, and I thought that really showed something really interesting about the guy in his debut in a. At a top level. [00:41:27] Speaker B: The other really good moment was there was a moment where Far Fan was like, come out, come out, come out. And he was like, no. And everybody afterwards was like, no, no, you did it right, kid. Don't come out there. That would have been the wrong choice. So tell them, Far Fan. No, no, I'm. I know what I'm doing. I'm fine. You know, that was nice to see. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I. It's interesting because the rest of the game becomes kind of a Salt Lake assault. They are just pinging balls into the box. Dallas can't keep any possession. Dallas is now just kind of clearing the ball back into Salt Lake's half saying, bring it back in. And there was a moment in this kind of five, six, seven minutes of them trying to do this that I thought, if Martin Paws was in gold, would Dallas lose this game? [00:42:08] Speaker B: Oh, wow. You know, how many got him not being good as good with crosses? [00:42:13] Speaker A: So how many crosses did Salt Lake put into the box in that last sequence of the. Of added time and everything? It had to have been, what, 10? [00:42:22] Speaker B: It was a lot. I think they had 10 shots in the last. From the 80th minute on when they made that final sub. I think they had 10 shots of, like, their 11 shots on the game all came in that last thing. And a lot of it, as you said, was for crosses. So, I mean, Quill, at the end of the game, he raved about withstanding that barrage at the end and how that was the difference for them in the game like the other games, they had wilted in that moment in this game, they didn't. [00:42:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I don't want anybody to misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not. I'm not trying to Pete best the guy. I'm just saying it was an interesting that. No, and I'm not saying that Cody's better than Martin paws in any. Any way, shape or form. I just thought that in that particular moment, that is Martin's weakness, which is he's just not really interested in coming out and doing much with crosses. And maybe that was the, you know, what needed in that particular day. And it. And really, at the end of the day, I don't think Collode had to do that much in terms of the. The way the game went. [00:43:16] Speaker B: No, there was maybe three times where he came out and dominated the ball in the air and really closed it out of those shots of those opportunities were really good, you know. And on the same. On the other hand, there's been many games where Paz has had 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 saves standing on his head with spectacular saves and kept them in it too. So, like, you know, we can all top the breaks. As you just said, Peter, that, like, oh, close to start then that's ridiculous. But, you know, phenomenal for him. And he, like I said, like, they came at him in a way that played to his strengths. So, you know, that. That was really good for him and it was good for the team and it worked out. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it went really well. And no matter what the vibe was, is, you know, Dallas is a team that sometimes will give up a weird goal like that. They did not. And on the road they remain undefeated as they get the 100 win in salt Lake and are feeling pretty good about that buzz. [00:44:03] Speaker C: Dan, actually one. One note I did. I had. We've talked about Ruiz and all the other fellow po. They're. They're two incidents. Was it Addy? A little before the hour. Forster Iago goes in with a high foot on the side of Sebastian Ibiaga's head. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I, you know, they made a big deal about that on. And I thought Ibiaga was bent over pretty far. Like he. He was leaning over to head at that ball. And if I was calling the game watching it, I would have said you kind of put yourself in a dangerous position because at some point, if you bend over to head a ball, you're. It's not that you're fair game or anything. [00:44:52] Speaker B: He does miss him by like less than an inch. I mean, it was really close to clean him in the face. You know, if he makes contact there, it probably would have been a pretty substantial car because that would have been studs first again, you know, studs first is a big deal, Peter. I know that was. [00:45:07] Speaker C: That got me. Yeah, I know every other. You know, he did stoop down a little, but it was, that was a high foot still. And yeah, going, going studs first. Just that. That was. I mean, the note I put is he's a walking yellow card. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Well, you know, you can have a call against you, a penalty against you without contact. Right. I mean like the intent to. Or. Or the, the chance that you're going to foul is just. Is as bad as a foul. We've seen that. That's one of the Lexi losses of all people's big things is like if you swing at a guy and miss, you still swung at a guy, right? [00:45:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:43] Speaker B: So like if you go flying studs up towards the dude's face and he happens to pull his face back and you miss, you still went flying studs up at his face. But I think you're right, Peter, because Ibia kind of went down to head it and brought his head sort of. I think if he'd have made contact, I definitely would have been. I'm with them. It definitely would have been a dangerous play on the cleaning player's part there, you know, if it does make contact. Because it wasn't like. It was definitely above waist, I think still. Right. Usually one of the old measures was like. Yeah, so it's not like Ibiaga was doing a diving header, which is a totally different circumstance. [00:46:15] Speaker A: No. And I, and, and on the replay, he wasn't as bent over as far as I thought he was from the higher field angle when I saw it live. Yeah, it was a, it was a physical game and I, and I, I do think Dallas really tired. I think the, the altitude got to several of the guys just so buzz overall, what was your kind of any post game thoughts or substitution reactions or anything like that? [00:46:40] Speaker B: You would have done differently at the end to go five at the back. That's okay. Like the, the one thing you could tell Quill was missing is a lot of times when you're late in a game and you've got, you know, relentless things coming at you, it can be nice to have a player who can play vertically and if you, when, if you get it out, somebody that could stress the field a little bit. He had brought Farrington in earlier and then left on the bench was like Bernie and really not much else. So, like, pretty obviously he didn't have a guy that he felt like, could be that relief of pressure guy in that moment, maybe you kind of might have wanted to do that. But overall, I thought the subs were fine. You know, my. Some takeaways we didn't really get into were Delgado having a much better game than. Obviously he was a nightmare against Chicago. So a little rebound there was nice. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Before you go, before you move on from him, I have a. This is a stupid observation maybe, or maybe it's genius. I don't know. Is the difference between good packed elgato and bad practo the difference between a guy that gets to start and one that comes off the bench? [00:47:46] Speaker B: I think it's position and decision making. Like when he's like that deep guy, like he. Or that wide midfielder they tried to make him in Chicago, he had no idea what to do. But if you put him in as like an actual 8 where he can do that little spring forward, he knows how to do that and he likes that. So, like, in that game, I thought it was really notable. You could see, like, the things people like about him, which is his size, his power, his pace, his ranginess. When you. When you have him next to Ramiro, you can really see all that. But then you also have the knuckleheaded decision making and maybe the feet aren't as clean as you would like. But still, compared to the Chicago game when he had a nightmare, this was a pretty solid first half from him. You know, is it good enough to keep show Kafumana out of the lineup or Paxton out of the lineup when those guys are back and healthy? I don't think so. But again, he's what, 20? So really he's a player that you're probably thinking about more in the future when he develops a little bit more. But still a pretty good half from him. It was a shame he got the head knocked because I would like to have seen like a whole game out of him, see if he could have held it up. Because admittedly, he looks to me like he's, you know, like, you guys should laugh at me when I would say he's fat. Like, he carries a little more body weight like Western McKinney does. And so, like, he tires. In my opinion, he tires late in games. I'd like to see if that's still happening. You know, obviously might have heard the team if it hadn't been happening. But in terms of our. My valuation to him, that's where I am on him, you know, those are his deficiencies. For me, you know, one of the. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Other things I thought about was we're five games into this and I still don't think we've had an extended kind of analysis of Shaq Moore and it. There are. [00:49:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:15] Speaker A: The weird thing about Shaq Moore to me is that he feels like a guest player. [00:49:19] Speaker B: Yeah, he's just sort of in the game. Right. He's just playing. He's not really like. I would have thought we would see like in some ways like a clear upgrade over Juan and it's just like he's a dude, you know. [00:49:32] Speaker C: I thought this was his best game for Dallas by a long, long way. But yeah, it's still like, you know, he had, he had a really nice defensive play late on in the game where the guy tried to, tried to dummy him and he just poked the ball away. [00:49:48] Speaker B: You know, for a guy that is at two years ago was the starting right back for the national team, you'd expect him to be like just bombing the field. He does have those moments where he's like, oh, I know, I've seen this. I know what I'm doing, Dan, like you were saying, like we're just like I got this bum, poked it away. But then other times it's like he's late reacting and guys are beating him to the back post. He's not getting forward and creating havoc in the box. He's just playing in the game. You know, it's like I keep waiting for this expensive great Shaq Moore to show up that we've seen for the last decade for various teams he's played for and it's not coming. [00:50:19] Speaker A: All right, so Dallas in 8th place now they face off against Kansas City in up in Frisco this particular weekend at 7:30 buzz or wait, how do we want to do this? Do you want a Dan to preview Kansas City or do you want to predict the 11 or what order would. [00:50:36] Speaker B: You want to Kansas City first. [00:50:37] Speaker A: Yeah, let's more Dan and Kansas City. [00:50:40] Speaker C: Is rough these days. Yeah, they are. The last win was on September 18th. The last away win was back in July. [00:50:49] Speaker A: I saw this. They have not won a game since last calendar year. That's ridiculous. [00:50:56] Speaker C: 12 games without a win. The game before this past weekend was their first point of the season. A three all draw with Minnesota United, which is crazy. I mean I know they've, they've had a few struggle, few struggles lately. But you know they had that big $4 million signing for Dean Y, which massive. They signed two guys from Aris in Greece, one of Michelle's old clubs, Manu Garcia. And I'm going to say this terribly, but Shappy Sumanov, good job. Who Peter approved. That's not saying a lot. Yeah, they theoretically should be really a lot better than they are. But it's, it's like if, if FC Dallas is a team that wins every game four, three. They're a team that loses every game four, three. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:51:49] Speaker C: You know, they're incredibly dangerous. Up top. Eric Tommy has been solid. Daniel Salwi, I mean he's had 10, 10 career goals against FC Dallas. Kyrie Shelton's killed FC Dallas. Mason Toy has done it. Willie Agard has done it. Yovalich himself. Just those players. About 22 goals against FC Dallas between them. Obviously we know it's Peter Vermis. It's a 4, 3, 3. They, they weirdly have held possession this year more than previous years where they've just kind of given it away and gummed up the midfield. They've only had one game below 50 possession. That was against Nico Estevez and his desire to keep the ball. So Garcia, the signing from Aris is top of a lot of this. The stats for shot creating actions. He's two behind. Lucho Suleimanov is. Has the third most carries into the box in the whole league. Most progressive receptions in the league. Like they're not, they're not useless with the ball. They're just not converting that into shots on target. Yeah, it's going to be weird. Like they, they do have some injuries, but there's not, it's not like we saw with Vancouver or Chicago where it's like, hey, the, the team's been absolutely decimated. It's. Yeah, I don't know. I mean a lot of people always say Vermice might be coaching for his job at this point. I mean all the times we've said, hey, this, this looks like a good game. FC Dallas gets blown out. So, you know, fingers crossed it's not like that. [00:53:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't want anybody to think we're trying to jinx this or anything. So Buzz, what do you think the 11 looks like? [00:53:29] Speaker B: Well, I thought that system worked pretty good. You know, and Quill, as Dan mentioned early, you know, the, the, the new formation helps some of the profiles FC Dallas has quite a bit. You know, I think Romero is really helped by being able to not have to chase all over the field and have those eights drop in, you know, legit look way better. Delgado look better or maybe show. Cafe Mon has bad been Back with the first team for this will be the second week back in the first team training. So maybe it's time for him, you know Kaike, if he's ready to go, maybe he's even more better as that single pivot eventually if not this week, if Anderson Julio's back, I think it's a no brainer he's in for Chu. That'd be the one question was I don't think Chu played great and if you. So if you're not going to go back with Chu, who would you put in at that other striker position? I would think that you would not go with Farington just because you would like a alternative style to Musa. Like if you go with Farington you're basically going like a double center channel nine. Whereas if you have a, a slashing flyer like, like a Julio, like a chew, like a Bernie maybe to add that over the top component to be able to switch wings and go at different guys maybe so that like if Julio's back, it's a no brainer that you put him in there for chewing that spot spot and otherwise there's no reason to change anything. I mean obviously if Martin pauses back, Martin pauses in goal. That's not, that's not a real discussion. That's just of course it's back in goal but there's nobody on the back line that should be changed out at this point. I think ER is better on the left. Sorry. I think the combination of urugidi left Iaga right is better than the other way around. When they flipped it that didn't work so well. So they went back this game and that worked again. So I think honestly you leave the whole thing the way it is other than Anderson Hula being back and maybe Show Cafe Mana being up to speed and taking that other. Especially with Delgado's concussion, we don't know when he'll come off that. I'm sorry, I'll assume it's a concussion protocol. He wasn't technically sub for that but with him going out of halftime I'm going to assume concussion protocol. So maybe he can't even train until midweek or later. So let's just guess for now he probably is questionable at best. So it makes a lot of sense now of two weeks in the first team. It'd be time to put show in there and see what you got in terms of the way that works with Legette, I'm really interested in that group Romero with those two guys because I think that's some real maturity and experience controlling the middle of the park. Especially when you would have Costa at the top of that pivot. You would have a diamond four and then you're outboxing everybody else in midfield. The key to that of course is how your outside guys are going to play. That's a lot of load on fair. Not Farrington. Excuse me, a far fan on the left. Not a guy that we think of as this box to box into, inline to inline, flying outside back. That's a big burden on him. When there's no sub for him either. There's no backup for him. So you know more. Theoretically there's at least a backup of Newman if you need to. I suppose you could put Newman in for far fan too if you have to, but. So that'll be something to watch as those two guys flying. But otherwise I think it's. I like the tactic. I'd roll it again. [00:56:32] Speaker A: So tomorrow morning, 8:45, Martin Paz plays again for Indonesia. I'm assuming he's going to start. They got shelled against Australia. That means he'll be done Tuesday travel. Are we. Is there. Assuming he's back in town in time for the game on Saturday. Travel time, exhaustion, legs, the whole bit. What do you do? [00:56:55] Speaker B: Well, he should be home by Wednesday, you know, that'll give probably. [00:56:59] Speaker C: He's going to be traveling for 24 hours. [00:57:01] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't think he would arrive on Wednesday? I mean so you'd have Thursday, Friday. [00:57:07] Speaker A: If he's home Wednesday, he's late. It's late Wednesday. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Okay, well you still would have Thursday, Friday rest. The game's at home. You can chill out, relax. I think there's no. It's not like a keeper runs up and down the field, you know, it's just that. Just you're tired from travel. [00:57:21] Speaker A: So you, you'd start him? [00:57:23] Speaker B: Oh yeah. 100. [00:57:24] Speaker A: Really? [00:57:25] Speaker B: Question. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Even after collode's good showing, you don't say, hey, why don't you just take another week off and get. Get. Okay. [00:57:31] Speaker C: No, I think the only, the only hesitation for me for him would be sporting. Kansas City are a very cross heavy team. It's obviously not strongest point of his game. So you want to make sure that he's. He's prepped properly. Now that may be a case of, you know, he's emailing back and forth with Drew Keisha on the plane and watching tape. But. Yeah, yeah, I mean they've, they've got a. I mean they've obviously known about this the whole time he's playing for Indonesia. It is those like 1824 hour travel days because there's no direct flight to Jakarta from Dallas. [00:58:07] Speaker B: So his, his recovery is not physical. I played two games in five days recovery. It's, he's a keeper. It's just travel recovery, like take care of yourself on the plane, hydrate correctly, you know, do stretches. The guy's a pro. I'm sure Keshan's got enough of a plan. I think there's no problem at all. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:58:26] Speaker B: Like, I think he could walk off a plane and play the next day. I don't think there'll be any issue at all. [00:58:31] Speaker A: So Saturday 7:30 up in Frisco in the. And by the way, I think the renovation event kicks off tomorrow. [00:58:39] Speaker B: I thought this week sometime. I don't know. I'm not going to. [00:58:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Why would you want to go to that? [00:58:45] Speaker B: I don't know. It's construction stuff. It's not, you know, we don't do that. [00:58:50] Speaker A: And we also got the word that they've changed construction partners already. [00:58:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I, you know, there's some talk that they weren't ever really locked into the first, you know, group or whatever, but I'm pretty sure this is a new group. This is the second group. So there's been some change or delay or something. Hopefully it's not going to be impactful. But. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, if I'm reading the original press release when they announced the, the, the plans, it's definitely a different construction group than they originally had named. So I mean, I don't know what the background is on it and I. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Don'T know the background on the chains. But the delay would be like any new group has to put together the plans in their own sort of system. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:27] Speaker B: That takes a certain amount of time. Even if it's exactly the same methodology, which it probably isn't because why would you change if it wasn't? Other than price, I guess. [00:59:34] Speaker A: So I've been collecting kind of observations and, and season ticket holder opinions from the first two home games about, you know, people's perceptions and observations about how this whole thing is going so far. And there's a pretty clear thread running through all of them which is, is that the atmosphere obviously is very different in the stadium. And I think. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Of course it is. [00:59:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Because of the, and the fact that they're, you know, looking across and just seeing the tarps is, is making for a very odd experience. [01:00:04] Speaker B: It's so much arms. [01:00:09] Speaker C: The atmosphere was quality in the first game, but I think both games too. [01:00:14] Speaker A: I think the atmosphere in the stadium somewhat depends on where you're sitting, the closer you are to the supporter, you know, the Ryan. I think maybe that gets a little bit more elevated than if you're sitting over by a Tacoma. [01:00:26] Speaker B: It's hard to say this would be the case definitively, but after one or two, three seasons with this situation like it is, it'll be interesting to see if the home win rate has dropped over these three seasons because of the atmosphere change, which while you can't. This isn't a shot at any people. It is what it is. The supporters are still there doing their thing, but, you know, there's only half as many people and half the stadium is tarped. And so maybe that supporter's noise is not coming back, you know, so if you're at the farther end, it's quieter, it sounds different. The players are like, why? This place is really quiet. You know, it'll be interesting to see how that home win percentage is tweaked over. You need a big sample size, really. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Yeah. We talked about this at the beginning of the season when they announced this. I started doing a lot of research. I don't think this has ever been done before in the, in the professional sports era. And the Hunts are essentially asking. They're paying customers to live in the house while the kitchen, master bath, dining room, and den are all being renovated and live in it at the same time and, and. And do it for three seasons. I mean, this is a big ask. The Hunts have put on the shoulders of their fan base, and I think that's part of the reason why it's so critical that they have at least something entertaining out on the field for people to look forward to. Because as this thing really gets cranked up and the construction starts, I assume because there's not a ton of space up there in that surrounding area, that that. That game day experience is going to change even more than it already has. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, at some point, like, the seats will stay there with the tarps, but, like, all the stuff above, it'll be gone. It'll just be like flat plane. You know, it'll be really. [01:02:08] Speaker A: See, that's the other part of this that I hadn't quite sure. Are they also not tearing out the actual construction, The. The concrete portion that the seats currently stand on and rebuilding all that, too? [01:02:19] Speaker B: I, I think. I'm not 100% sure, but I think they're replacing the chairs, but they're not tearing out the bleachers, if you will, the concrete structure. Concrete structure. As far as I know, it's Just the stuff up above. You know, I know there's been talk of new seats because there's been discussion of it saying something in the seats and getting maybe those meshy kind of seats that other teams have gotten that breathe and things like that. So I know that's on the table but I'm pretty sure they're not like digging down into the earth and ripping out the cement on that side. [01:02:51] Speaker A: I did enjoy from seeing Salt Lake that their seats at one, their plastic seats used to be a solid red too and now they're also kind of sun soaked pink just like Dallas's. [01:03:01] Speaker B: Well, the north end zone will be ripped out. The stage I'll get ripped out. So there will be some ripping out in that end, right? [01:03:07] Speaker C: Well, there'll be work on. There'll be work to put a foundation for those new clubs they're going to have as well. Because right now there's not really a whole lot they can build on there. [01:03:17] Speaker A: And the. [01:03:17] Speaker C: If you've ever been in those buildings on the east side, they are just shelves. They're sheetrock and metal stud. I'm amazed they haven't blown down. [01:03:28] Speaker A: Well, when they get to the west side they're also hopefully going to do something for the shifting and cracking that has taken place. I think small children have fallen into some of the cracks of that. [01:03:41] Speaker C: The ones field side are crazy. I'm glad they've actually, actually put those banners over because you could put your fist in some of those. [01:03:47] Speaker B: Thankfully they're in the ground and not in the air. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Well, I would love to hear from more people especially whatever your opinion is of the experience and how it's changed or not changed, improve or whatever. I'm really curious as to what people's opinions are about this process because I do think it's an interesting test case that is never been. I just don't think this has been done before. For the amount of. The reduction in capacity for the amount of time that is going on is pretty ridiculous. So it'll. [01:04:15] Speaker B: The best I can think of is like out is like an outfield being torn up and rebuilt, you know, or as bleachers put in an outfield while the season was going on. But I can't. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah, Wrigley like Wrigley had it done, Fenway had it done. But even then in their worst case the reduction of capacity was like 10, 12%. [01:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:04:34] Speaker A: Okay. So Trinity had a game and they beat up on Brooklyn again in Brooklyn. Beat them three on the road is the aggregate of the last two home and away games. Is it eight? Nothing? Is that nine? [01:04:45] Speaker B: Nothing? [01:04:45] Speaker A: Nine nothing. I. Has anybody figured out what happened to Brooklyn? Because they were far and away the best team in the league before Christmas and now they're terrible. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they haven't done anything since Christmas. I, I honestly have no idea what happened to them. They must have moved some people around for some reason or maybe they lost some depth or something because it's really hard to fathom what's going on the other side of the coin. Trinity obviously has found the magic touch of whatever the changes they. Not whatever the changes. The changes they made since the break are obviously phenomenal. They went out and got Cameron Lancaster which helped them play with Misimo as a pure 10. They shifted that formation to a 3, 5, 2 instead of a 3, 4, 3, which makes, you know, two players behind Misimo and frees her up. Getting Brooks damn point a couple weeks ago when they had an injury that Brooks had to go in the back line. So they went out and got a defender so they could move Brooks back up into midfield. That's been great. They're using. It's going so well that their wing part of it is their wing backs are now instead of using fullbacks as wing backs, they're actually using like attacking wings as wing backs. With Uber Gago notably on the left doing great things up and down that wing. I can't remember who's on the right, but it's not Dorsey who was the left right back from most of the first part of the season. It's just the tactic is working really well and they're just finding the magic combinations and the whole thing's finally coming together. Like the goals, they weren't scoring early on. They, they had, they had a. They were scoring a fair amount and were getting a fair amount of shots, but they were also not converting. They were tying too many games. They're not tying them anymore. They're just blowing people out of the water and it's fantastic. [01:06:22] Speaker A: And you got to see Lexi Misimo vomit. [01:06:24] Speaker B: Yeah, apparently she was sick so she booted on the field or I think she got to the sideline before she did, but apparently she had a flu or something. It's going around apparently. [01:06:33] Speaker A: Okay, so they're up to what, second now or third in the league? [01:06:36] Speaker B: I forget they're still fourth. But there's two points separating the top four teams. And they play the third place team. Carolina's still high up there. So they play Carolina right in front of them. So like there's A chance any weekend that they could jump to first from fourth. Those first four teams are all sort of right together and separated from the rest of the pack. Brooklyn's falling fast obviously. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Okay, North Texas had a game against Houston that did not go well. [01:07:03] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, they got stomped. Road life is tough, but they, they were, they, they, they scored first and then they allowed two goals and were down two one when the red card happened. And then from there it just went absolutely crazy. They, they also lost Ian Charles, who's an academy player who's been, has been playing center back for like the last year and a half. But Gaul apparently likes him better as a six is what he used to play. So they've been playing him as a six. He got kicked in the head by a guy trying to do a bicycle and he headed the ball out and the guy kicked him and kicked him right in the face so he had to sub out. And they put in a player, of course, Caleb Swan, who I'm very excited about. But then by doing that they went, they were double eight. So watching two 18 year old eights try and play, you know, in the middle by themselves was not. That did not go well. So they proceeded to get rip shredded apart watching because Ramirez was the other six ostensibly and Ramirez is a false swing 10. That'd be like watching Pedrinho play six. It's not really very good. So it did not go well. It was a meltdown of epic proportions in Dallas and North Texas got absolutely smoked. Sam Sarver is still their best player. Pretty clear league right now. So. [01:08:12] Speaker A: All right, they've got the Sporting Kansas City 2 stupidly rename their team from the very awesome Swope Park Rangers. [01:08:20] Speaker B: You know what's weird is that MLS has a, has a push for teams that now go back to different style names. I, I don't know. Swoat Park Rangers will come back because they don't play at SWO park anymore, which that's what they were named after. But that was a great name. It was way better than Kansas City too. And obviously like if you listen to that broadcast or Houston Dynamo 2 for whatever reason they've decided Dynamo Dose, it's how they want to brand their team. And so that's what they got called. The whole game is Dynamo Dose, which is an example of trying to have this branding differentiating you from your first team. So North Texas SC will no longer be like this aberration. You'll get more things like the crown and whatever that LA team is that's not LA Galaxy 2, I can't remember whether the Colony or something. I can't remember what it is. But they're pushing away. They want to differentiate the teams from something something to. [01:09:08] Speaker A: Well, if you're a super nerd, you can double up games because North Texas plays on Friday night at 7:45 out at Arlington. And then we also got the home opener, the league debut of Texoma FC as they played one Knoxville. One of the better brands that I've seen in usl by the way. I like their, their logo and everything. [01:09:28] Speaker B: The logo's nice, the name is fun. [01:09:30] Speaker A: And I've seen a lot of noise being made about the attendance of this game. [01:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah, they reported 3,100. I, I don't. That seems a little high. But then again maybe that's tickets distributed like everybody always does. It's, you know, about 80 capacity, it looks like on the home side of that stadium. It's a fun game. The uniforms are great. Knox has got some talent that, you know that. More talent than Texoma. Does Texoma be an expansion team? They're still trying to figure things out and they got a couple of. They're light in a couple of areas. Notably, it's tough, it's tough for them to score right now. You know, team offense comes together slowly. Team defense is easier. Team offense is hard and right now the team offense is not clicking. You know that Diego Pappy had some chances to score and didn't. And they, I think early on the seasons, like getting them on the scoreboard is going to be harder than they would like it to be for them going forward. [01:10:21] Speaker A: I haven't watched it. How was the game production? [01:10:23] Speaker B: Typical USL one, where there's significant problem they have at that venue is that the camera is on the away side which so it points back towards the fans and also away from the sun because the sun would set behind it. But that means that the camera's on top of that stand, which is not very high. So the camera is very low. And so you're getting this very flat look across the field where it's very difficult to get any perspective of the depth of players across the field. The play all happens in the middle of the screen because there's no top to bottom depth of the field because the camera is so low. This is very complicated, but that's true. So you're getting a fair amount of stands and both on the top and the bottom both because it's. The players are all in the middle parallel of the screen. So that's their big problem. Otherwise it's just the typical USL packaging. They don't know very much about that team, obviously. Very much so. There was a lot of talk more about Knoxville than there was about the home team, but it's been. Accuracy is about various things, but not to be unexpected at the USL1 level. But that camera needs to be addressed. My one favorite thing about the game was the guys sitting in the lounge chairs on the sideline. Dan, did you see him when they were there, you know, kicking the leg? [01:11:35] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that was brilliant. When you saw the first few minutes of the game, I didn't get a chance. But yeah, I watched. Watched it go up and I was like, those, those are recliners. Like, did they just. Did somebody rob a furniture store? What's happening? That's a great bit, though. [01:11:50] Speaker B: That's amazing. VIP siding or whatever. Like there are clubs that have that sort of by the field, VIP signing or signing seating, where they have a little table maybe, or some FC Dallas. [01:12:01] Speaker C: Used to have it, but I've never seen a reclining chair. That was amazing. [01:12:06] Speaker B: It's a good bit. [01:12:07] Speaker A: All right, well, that'll be fun to watch. Footy Headlines came out with some news this week about this mythical or legendary now third kit that Dallas is supposed to get. And I think it threw the three of us for a loop because I think the three of us have a pretty solid sense as to what this third kit is supposed to look like. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Yes. [01:12:29] Speaker A: And then Footy Headlines does two things. One, it throws out an April date, which is a date we had never heard. And then they really killed us by telling us that it's going to be orange. [01:12:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Desert sand. [01:12:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:44] Speaker B: They interpret it as orange. [01:12:45] Speaker A: All right, so let's set that aside and we'll pick that back up for a second. The other note from Footy Headlines was the one that really, like, this would be the clowniest thing of all time. Like. Like letting your third kit be the color of your nemesis would be an all time like that. That by itself would knock everything else off the list and this would be the only thing on the list forever. But the other note from Footy Headlines that completely blew me away is that this shirt will feature both the Dallas Byrne logo, the horse, and then, quote, a large bull's head, meaning the FC Dallas logo. Bullhead. So are they going to make us a shirt that has the Dallas Burn logo as the crest and then they're going to transplant the old giant burnhorse for the FC Dallas head over the chest, over the. Over the middle of the shirt. Like, remember the Original Burn jersey had two horses vomiting horses on it. The small one over the heart and the big one in the middle. So is this going to be a little vomiting horse over the heart and a big FC Dallas Toro Bull. Right. Giant dinner side, dinner plate sized over the middle. [01:14:01] Speaker B: On an orange shirt. [01:14:02] Speaker A: On an orange shirt. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Man, I really hope that footy head on this is wrong about all that. [01:14:06] Speaker C: There's just so much that doesn't add up about what they said. You know, the whole, like, oh, it's. All these kits are going to release on April 4th. Well, FC Dallas has already announced that they're getting a third jersey in the summer, not in April. And it's going to be part of the. The Adidas heritage collection, which is not what they're displaying. [01:14:29] Speaker B: As Dan says, like, the minute that came out, people from the team were like, no, not April 4th. Like, immediately reacted. No, it's summer. So he's right. [01:14:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, they've come out and publicly said it a bunch of times, like, yeah, yeah, that. I don't know if they're getting bad information or maybe there is like a T shirt range that's coming out and they're just like, yeah, that's a jersey. But something. Yeah. That doesn't match up to anything that we've heard. [01:14:53] Speaker B: Well, there are some T shirts that are coming with some of this stuff. Like, we're getting the sneakers and things like that, too. So there are some T shirts. So maybe that's what they're talking about. But. [01:15:00] Speaker A: Well, the color wasn't officially called orange. It's called brushes, sand or something. Burning sand. [01:15:08] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:15:08] Speaker A: Something burning sand, but it's definitely orange. It's kind of a burnt orange. And I'm telling you, if the Hunts allowed Adidas to create anything for this club that is even vaguely orange, I may never stop laughing. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Well, originally they footy headline said there were five teams. Now they've revised that to 10 teams. They've also put out something that says that next year everyone's getting one. Well, we had heard everyone was getting one this year. Well, if there really are a jersey this year and a jersey next year, that's a third. Maybe there's some confusion about which one is which. As you said, Peter, there's some T shirt and some gear that's coming with these third jerseys this year that are in for the 30th anniversary of the league. So, like, you know, I. I think there's some confusion on lots of different pieces they're putting together. You know, we have reason to think that there's some yellowish goldish elements that are. You know, these days they don't actually do the green wasabi as C. Dallas doesn't. They do this. You look at the Burn Baby Burn jersey, which is more of that yellowy, goldy kind of color. I'm not going to call it orange, but you know, if you misinterpreted that as, you know, burning sand or something and think that means it's orange, I suppose maybe you could think that that's what was happening, but I just can't imagine that that's what's happening. [01:16:25] Speaker A: I should throw. As a side note, Buzz, you and I constantly go back and forth over wasabi green versus guacamole green. Yeah, I have been told that neither one of those is correct. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure it's not. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Do you know what the original Dallas Burn Green color by Nike was called? [01:16:41] Speaker B: I don't remember. I'm sure I have it somewhere. [01:16:43] Speaker A: Asparagus green. Yes. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Well, you're probably right. They're called Guacamole Away. The wasabi thing happened because of that stupid Bud Light commercial. That's why people started doing what, wasabi. [01:16:58] Speaker A: You know, I did not know. All these years later, it's asparagus green was the. What they officially called it. [01:17:04] Speaker B: I mean, I guess we have asparagus. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Here, I suppose, and it makes your pee smell. [01:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't eat it. [01:17:10] Speaker A: So you don't eat asparagus? [01:17:12] Speaker B: No. [01:17:12] Speaker A: Why not? [01:17:13] Speaker B: I don't like it. [01:17:15] Speaker A: Really? [01:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:17:16] Speaker A: Oh man. Well cooked. Well cooked asparagus with a little butter and. Oh man, good stuff. [01:17:23] Speaker B: I like lots of vegetables, but not that one. [01:17:25] Speaker A: Now I will tell you my oddity is I don't like the tips of asparagus. The fuzzy part at the end. I like the. I like the back half of the. Of the asparagus. [01:17:34] Speaker C: So. So you like it, just not the tip. [01:17:37] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah, he likes the back. [01:17:40] Speaker A: I like the shaft, not the tip. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Oh my God. That's the cold open. [01:17:49] Speaker A: Crap. Okay, well, I guess we'll find out. Winnie, you guys typically do a mock up. When are we doing the third degree mockup? When is this coming? I mean, you better do it quick because what if it shows up on the 4th? You're gonna miss your opportunity. [01:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe we better. Dan. [01:18:09] Speaker C: What they're saying and what everything else has pointed to are very different. So I don't know if I could even predict it. [01:18:17] Speaker A: See, this is the thing. Is that what we think it Looks like what. And what footie headlines is saying it is are so diametrically opposite of each other. [01:18:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:27] Speaker A: That it's like who's wrong? Who's been lied to, who. Who is the, the sneaky little leak out there to see who the leaker is by giving everybody bad information. [01:18:39] Speaker C: Well, I mean everyone's had the same information. Like surely if you're, if you're trying to leak bad information, you give bad leaks to different people to figure out where the leaks going. But everything's been consistent. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Yes, that's true. At least. At least for what we think it's going to. At least what we think it's going to look like. The footy headlines thing is just fundamentally opposite. [01:19:00] Speaker B: Well, I assume the footy headlines is getting their stuff from somebody that's leaking information about the whole thing because they're getting this list of teams and these descriptions of everything and I think that's a European based site. So they're probably getting it from like Adidas Europe or something. And if there really are back to back versions of a third kit, maybe there's some muddling and what's happening. Whereas the information we've all gotten is all from here and now for this season, you know, and we're putting all together and, and the different people that we have giving us information are all consistent in the same. It's only footy headlines. It's completely different from what we're getting. [01:19:34] Speaker A: Yes. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Everything we're getting from all of our different people, from the very people, various people that we know is all the same in all matches. This doesn't. The footy headlines doesn't what I think. [01:19:43] Speaker A: The shirt's going to look like. Sounds like something everybody's going to want to buy. And what footy headlines is suggesting is something nobody's going to want to buy. [01:19:52] Speaker B: Worst kid in club history. [01:19:53] Speaker A: Unless you want. Unless you, unless you're a Dynamo fan. By the way, have you seen their rumor of what they say the Toronto third kit is going to be yellow? Like a crazy yellow. [01:20:03] Speaker C: I mean they had that weird yellow and pink one. [01:20:06] Speaker A: They did. I don't remember. [01:20:07] Speaker C: Yeah, a few years ago they got. I think it was yellow and pink. It was when they start. It was. I think it was Matt Hedges first year there or his year there. [01:20:15] Speaker A: I don't remember that one. [01:20:16] Speaker C: It was. They had that like weird tree New York City one. Atlanta had a bizarre graffiti one. [01:20:26] Speaker A: Okay, well anyway, there's way too much kit talk for some people's liking, but not enough for us. [01:20:33] Speaker C: Oh, it was pink and blue with yellow logos. [01:20:36] Speaker A: Was that a third kit that I didn't. Was that like a. Like an anniversary kit or a pre. A pre match shirt? [01:20:42] Speaker C: It was a. It was a third shirt I did as like a one off. [01:20:45] Speaker A: I don't remember that. They wore that in a game, I think so. We're looking at it in our group chat. I don't ever remember them wearing that. That looks like a giant flower. [01:20:53] Speaker B: It's the 2023 energy kit. Third strip, huh? [01:20:57] Speaker A: God, what was their record in that thing? [01:20:59] Speaker C: Terrible. [01:21:00] Speaker B: Probably they've been bad for a couple years. [01:21:02] Speaker A: All right, I digress. Let's see. Go back to the list. I don't. I think we've covered everything, guys. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Yep. [01:21:09] Speaker A: Well done. [01:21:10] Speaker B: Third Degree. The podcast is brought to you by El Matador and their El Matador watch party for Atlanta versus FC Dallas. That's on April 5th at 6:30pm Downtown Dallas at the Scarlet Pumpernickel. They're going to have the entire second floor reserve, full sound, their own bartender, amazing food. There's plenty of street parking down there and parking garages. But best of all, Scarlet Pumpernickel is only two blocks from the Aur street stop on the DART rail station. Get down there, check it out, everybody's welcome. April 5, 6:30pm El Matador watch party, Atlanta versus FC Dallas. [01:21:44] Speaker A: Every time I start this, I said, man, I'm going to drive this thing and it's going to be under an hour. And I always fail. [01:21:53] Speaker B: Okay, Dallas cups around the corner. Corner. Everybody go. It's awesome. [01:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll do Dallas Cut preview stuff here. Coming up soon. Okay. Very good, Dan. Thank you, sir. [01:22:03] Speaker C: Likewise. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Good to see your handsome mug once again. [01:22:06] Speaker C: Thank you very much. [01:22:08] Speaker A: Thank you. And buzz. [01:22:10] Speaker B: Thanks, fellas. Thanks for being here. [01:22:11] Speaker A: Thank you, boys. And thank you, FC Dallas. Curious fan. We will speak to you next week on another episode of Third Degree, the podcast. [01:22:20] Speaker C: Oh, we were. And we'll keep you guessing.